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Robert's Rules of Order
Newly Revised (RONR), 10th edition. The informal parliamentary
opinions expressed here follow general principles of parliamentary law and
Robert's Rules of Order
Newly Revised (RONR), 10th edition, and are based solely on the
brief summary of facts presented, without the benefit of having reviewed the
bylaws and other governing documents. An association's own bylaws,
covenants, Articles of Incorporation, Special Rules of Order, and local or
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RONR says. A
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reached. If there is much at stake, readers are encouraged to seek a formal
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bylaws and governing documents. Nothing here should be construed as an
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Answer to Mind Bender for
June 2009:
All references are to
RONR
10th ed.
Question:
According to our bylaws, we are to follow
Robert's Rules. At our annual convention, after the credentials committee
report, the convention standing rules were submitted to the assembly for
adoption. A member objected to several of the standing rules and requested
that a separate vote be taken on them. The chair ruled against the member
and said that the convention rules must be voted on as a single document and
denied the member's request to vote separately on those convention rules
objected to. The member appealed from the decision of the chair and the
chair put the appeal to a vote of the assembly, which sided with the chair's
ruling. Was this correct?
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Answer:
The handling of the convention standing
rules was not in accordance with Robert's Rules of Order, the parliamentary
authority named in the bylaws. Here is what
Robert's Rules of Order Newly
Revised (RONR), 10th edition, says on p. 600:
"After debate or amendment (if any), a
single vote normally is taken on the complete body of rules. It should be
understood that seriatim consideration is not applicable because, although
the rules may be organized to have the appearance of being a single
document, they are, in fact, a group of separate main motions being offered
by the committee under one enacting motion. By the demand of a voting member
of the convention, a separate vote can be required on any individual rule
(see p. 265), although such a demand is advisable only if a serious matter
appears to be at stake. If such a demand is made, the remainder of the rules
are acted on first, and then those separated out are acted on individually."
Also, refer to
RONR p. 265:
"MOTIONS THAT MUST BE DIVIDED ON DEMAND.
Sometimes a series of independent resolutions or main motions dealing with
different subjects is offered in one motion. In such a case, one or more of
the several resolutions must receive separate consideration and vote at the
request of a single member, and the motion for Division of a Question is not
used. Such a demand...can be made even when another has the floor, as in,
'Mr. President, I call for a separate vote on Resolution No. 3.'"
The chair erred in submitting this to a
vote of the members as there clearly cannot be two reasonable opinions on
this issue. Robert's Rules is clear - a single member can demand that one or
more convention standing rules be pulled out and placed separately before
the assembly for debate, amendment, and vote apart from the remainder of the
convention standing rules. When the chair makes procedural errors like this
and then submits the erroneous ruling to the assembly for a decision, this
puts the assembly in an awkward position. Since the assembly relies on the
expertise and knowledge of the chair (in consultation with a parliamentarian
who is presumed to be an expert in parliamentary law), the tendency is to
uphold the decisions of the chair.
Refer to
RONR p. 433:
"The presiding officer of an assembly -
especially of a large one - should be chosen principally for the ability to
preside. This person should be well versed in parliamentary law and should
be thoroughly familiar with the bylaws and other rules of the organization -
even if he or she is to have the assistance of a parliamentarian."
Thus, it is the duty of the chair and the
parliamentarian to know and uphold the rules; when they do not it may,
unfortunately, cast a bad light on the member who rightly insists that the
rules be followed by raising numerous Points of Order and Appeals from the
Decision of the Chair. Often an assembly has little patience for a member it
perceives as being in the wrong even though, in reality, it is the presiding
officer and parliamentarian who are in the wrong when they enlist the
support of the assembly in upholding a clearly erroneous ruling.
Refer to
Robert's
Rules of Order Newly Revised
(RONR), 10th edition
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